No doubt you have heard of this, or other convictions under Islamic Sharia Law. Since we have been discussing Biblical law (and Sharia law is not much different), I think it is appropriate to take a look at a part of the world where people still practice the religious law. Check out this article from the Guardian (a British newspaper). I found another article that sheds some light on this issue on the LA times blog. Check them out and let me know what you think.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/07/iran-stoning-sakineh-ashtiani.html
That is awful! Those punishments should not be allowed. People in other countries over-do their punishments.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I think it politically correct that Ashtiani receive the appropriate sentencing for crimes they KNOW that she committed. I do not think it is morally right if they are retaliating by sentencing Ashtiani for adultery, after not being able to pin the "murder of her husband" on her-a conspiracy that they may not be able to prove. The
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And secondly, I think that the powerful statement made by Sharifi is totally true: How dare we try to sound all "holier than thou," like we are the perfect, flawless nation, when WE treat other people in the world with the same cruelty and close our mouths when it comes to defending the oppressed.
@Paul Anthony We are no where near a perfect country but we do not kill people for committing adultery and i think it is good that the u.s.a stays out of this in my opinion. Also @Jourdan do you think the man who raped and killed that lady should get the death penalty?
ReplyDeleteI do ,however, think that she should be punished but not killed and the same for the man. personally i think he should get a severe punishment.
It is their law. They have to do what THEIR law dictates. Us being a perfect country has nothing to do with them abiding by their law. I do not want her to die, especially when her soul is not saved, but the law requires what the law requires. It is just like with Jesus: the law required His death, or we would all be screwed! Law are set to have some order. Whether it is outlandish to us or not.
ReplyDeleteAnd why should she not receive a severe punishment but he should?
That's not cool one bit . These laws may have been used in the old days , and may be in the Old Testaments to remind us of things from back then , but if that lady committed adultery then that is HER sin to take up with God , not her country . She should serve her time for the murder of her husband , but not be put to death . .
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And the guy that raped that girl should , in my own opinion , be scissor kicked in the neck . But , they should either give him life in prison , or the death penalty .
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ReplyDeleteIn all honesty, reading some of those articles made me feel pretty sick.
ReplyDelete[Also, I read some of the earlier articles and haven’t gotten to the more recent ones yet, so this comment may be a little behind on what’s actually happening.]
As far as whether or not Sakineh [or any other woman who has been accused of adultery] should be punished, I do believe that it is the country's right to decide. We know adultery was punished in Biblical times from our reading in Deuteronomy, so who are we to say that it is wrong to punish the same sin in modern day? I know that stoning was an acceptable form of punishing someone by death in that time, but to me it just seems so harsh and extreme today. With all of our other methods of execution today, why not choose something more humane?
There was one girl in particular, Azar, who was arrested when she was fifteen. That's equivalent to a Freshman/Sophomore. She was too young to be stoned, so they've kept her three years; waiting to stone her. She's had mock stonings. To PREPARE her for the actual stoning. I find that completely revolting.
Officials are using stonings not just as a punishment, but as a scare tactic. I find that similar to crucifixion. [Painful/used to scare people into following the law.] It's used to scare people into obeying the law.
In the case of Sakineh, she was convicted of adultery in 2006. She endured the sentence of 99 lashes, and that was it. Now, more than four years later, the case has been re-opened because she is suspected of murdering her husband. So now she has to be put to death? An article from the 2nd of July states that "the adultery charge was reviewed and a death penalty handed down on the basis of "judge's knowledge" – a loophole that allows for subjective judicial rulings where no conclusive evidence is present." I have a hard time understanding how that is fair.
Her own kids said she is innocent and they don't want anything to happen to her. There is no evidence of her doing anything wrong. According to the law, there needs to be absolute evidence of the crime in order for a stoning or death to take place. In this case, the judge’s knowledge is being considered enough evidence.
Another thing I noticed, is that it is mainly women who are being accused of adultery.
There are SOME men who are also supposed to be stoned, but not nearly as many as women. There does seem to be some favoring of men.
All in all, I guess that I feel the whole adultery/stoning issue is a bit extreme. It doesn’t seem like it should be creating the huge problem that it is.
I vote yes on the punishment. [Because that does seem fair, and hey, let’s not take away from their tradition.
And I vote no on stoning, because that’s just...not cool.
Um, wow. Sorry for the book.
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[Also, I deleted the previous two comments and reposted them because it showed up that my name was Me?]
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ReplyDeleteThink of it this way. America uses lethal injections. Before those things, back in the day, we hung people. There in Iran, they stone people. What's the catch? What's the purpose? Reading in Deuteronomy, you'll find that not only was there severe punishment, but there was a purpose of bringing fear to the people. What does fear do? Well... let's look at Mr. Robison's cookie story with a different perspective: Tom steals a cookie, but is found out by his mom in the act. His mom only says she is going to punish him, but that doesn't actually follow through, and later in the evening, he does it again, and again, and even again. In another house next door, you'll find that there is another jar of cookies, but this time, Kenta, who was trying to take one, was caught by his mom. Not only was he punished, but a nice leather belt warmed his rear end. It's quite obvious who won't repeat that mistake again. Tom will always think about breaking the rules, while Kenta will always feel the pain of a hot, rear end whip. Thinking back on how this relates, you'll find that punishment was key in trying to bring fear to a people. If they wanted to break a law, they would foresee a death they'd fear, and that would take away their want to break what could break them. All of the fear was to create what any government would want; a perfect society. Would I say the girl in the above links should die? I have no right to judge, but I can think of it this way. In the times of Israel, Jesus hadn't come yet. There was no forgiveness being practiced on the earth because there was no true release of our sins. When Jesus came, forgiveness seeped into this wretched world. No more would the sinful have to die. Now they could repent, learn, and live. Before, we died. Now, we live.
Jalen- I do think the man who raped and killed the woman should get either the death penalty or prison for life. That's pretty much a disgusting thing he did and he is a horrible person and shouldn't be able to see the light of day, or have life himself. I guess I am completely agreeing with Khadijah.
ReplyDeleteThis is really awful. And soo intense. I do agree with Jourdan, that they man who raped and killed the woman should get sentenced to death or put in prison for the rest of his life so he can leave others alone. This is so gross. And should've never happened and I hope it doesn't happen again!
ReplyDeleteWell the both made a mistake, but to our culture the man who raped the girl is a bigger deal. But to those of other cultures the woman commiting adultery is a big deal!
ReplyDeleteIn our country people act as if adultery is no big deal and that rape is, but it is a big deal!
@ Khadijah, You cant say they are living at the times of the past, because then the 10 Commandments are a thing of the past!! And i dont see thou shalt not rape, but dont take me wrong that is an extremely big thing and there needs to be harsh consequences for it. But thou shalt not commit andultery is on there, and we are to abide by those commandments! They are not rules but COMMANDments! So on this topic my stance is that they abide by the rules of their country, just like we abide by ours!!!
and we will take this up in class friday!!! everyone better get ready!!
th at is really mested up like for real no one disevers that no man woman or child does no matter whAT
ReplyDeleteI personally dont see how any one man has a right to decide if another mans sins is bad enough to be put to death. I personally think that the sins that someone commits should be taken up with God, not a country, or any person.
ReplyDeleteAfter stating that i do however belive that people should be punished for their wrong doing. I also agree that if it is apart of the law system of a country and you break a certain law, then yes the country does have a right to punish you.
In Sakineh case I do believe that she should be punished for the murder of her husband, if in fact she did it. I dont however agree that she should be stoned to death for the commiting of adultey. I undestand that they used to do this in Biblical times, but obvisouly we dont completly do things like they did in the Bible. I dont think we should pick and choose what we want to do and not want to do, based on how they lived in Bibical times.
As for killing people because they are homosexual, I dont agree with that at all. God put us here to make our own decision, learn from out mistakes, and learn what is right from wrong. I dont see how they can kill someone just because they perfer something different from you. Being homosexual was a choice they decided to make and God will deal with them when it comes time.
@Joshua
ReplyDeleteI do agree , but not everything should be used . Don't get me wrong , I'm not saying that we should forget it and just live life which ever way we choose , but we should keep the ten commandments . The only thing that I thought was wrong is that they were going to kill her for it . I think that if you commit it then you should take it up with God and God alone . For he is the one that gives us our final punishment , not man himself . I believe that there are other ways to deal with this situation .
You know , now that I think about it . If that is the law there than she should be . If she wasn't tried and convicted then she would never learn from her mistake . And if that is there law and way of life then she has to abide by that . But religiously she doesn't deserve to die , because they don't have the right to decide who dies . It is not up to us to choose that it is the Lords decision .
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That is my final decision .
But I still stick to the SCIOSSOR KICKING that guys neck for raping that girl .
i understand that they have their own law and stuff over there and its not like us having the freedom to live and do what we please to do but i think it is horrible that someone should be accused and have such a harsh punishment with it not even being proved that they did anything or were what they said they were. i just think it was realy wrong they way they were treated.
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