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I think it would be terribly offensive and insensitive to build a mosque on the memorial ground of the innocent dead!! I think that, to some extent, this COULD be a way of them scoffing at us OR implying that it is not a big deal that people of their faith, race, etc. killed innocent U.S. citizen lives!! The mosque being built at Ground Zero would be, to me, saying that we as Americans have forgotten this horrific tragedy that has, in part, plunged us into this terrible war!! It would be an offense to the memory of the dead and to their loved ones!! This building project should NOT be allowed!!!!!
ReplyDeletedisagree with Paul . Don't throw stereotypes at them just because they were of the same race as the terroist . They may not have the same mind and heart of the terroist . I say everyone has a freedom of religion , but that doesn't mean that they have to build there mosque exactly in that area . I think they should try to convince her to move it else where . Not exaclty on Grouond Zero . But I will finish later , got to go to the cafeteria with my brother .
ReplyDeleteNow I agree with Paul to a certain extent, I agree that it is insensitive. I don't think that they should build a mosque on ground zero where the Muslims terrorized our city. Now I also agree with Khadijah, I cant stand when people stereotype.. I know that not all muslims, especially those who have lived in the US for years don't agree with what the terrorist did. I also don't believe that the Muslims where the only people that had anything to do with 9/11. But no I do not agree that the mosque should be built right there in ground zero. I am all for people expressing their religion, I just think that it should be built somewhere else.
ReplyDeleteGo Jessica! I don't think something else should be built on an area dedicated as a memorial. It needs to be left empty as a reminder to us and future generations of what happened. Its an empty place that deserves quiet and doesn't need anymore distractions. I do disagree with Paul, the entire race did not plan to kill everyone, it was just a few people. I don't think there needs to be a Mosque built anywhere at all because they are not American. I think they should keep those kinds of traditional things in their country. Not in a racist way, but I think it would be like building an Eiffle Tower over here. It's not something that we are associated with.
ReplyDeleteIm with Jessica and Paul about it being insensitive, building on Ground Zero! Truthfully, I think it should be left alone. As Jourdan said, the spot was already taken and they shouldn't build something else. I also don't think their needs to be a mosque built because they aren't a part of the American society. Overall, I believe this building project should not be allowed. They should still express their religion, but SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!
ReplyDelete@Khadijah: I am not saying that they are terrorists AT ALL! I hate stereotypes! Because of stereotypes and such I have never met my grandmother! Because of stereotypes, African-American people (and others), for example, are looked at as underachievers, people who live in slums, sag, listen to and produce degrading material, etc. I have even had comments thrown at me like this.....AND LET ME TELL YOU: THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS I HATE MORE THAN STEROTYPES!
ReplyDeleteBut you have to admit that it does seem a little insensitive and disrespectful that they do this, when there are already people angry at the; this will only casue more dissension (as it HAS and IS)!! I am just saying that for the sake of sympathy, sensitivity, kindness, and compassion, they should not do this.
This mosque could become a dangerous thing, because there are bound to be Americans who are still angry and are willing to do harm to those Muslims who support the building of that mosque. As a way of showing that they are not in support of the terrorist attack (as some stereotypes may surmise), I think that they should completely disregard building a mosque at Ground Zero. AND AGAIN I AM NOT STEREOTYPICAL.....but then again, actions speak louder than words.....and while they may not mean it, they could be implying it which can be dangerous to them.
@Paul Anthony i agree with you on it being very insensitive. Also i think it should be built but not in that spot. that would help us avoid unnecessary conflict. however what if there is a secret reason the Muslims would like it built close to ground zero. We do not want anymore disasters of that magnitude again because they are trying to rebuild the towers.
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing is dumb , it's there religion . Let them build there mosque just elsewhere . It's not that hard to think of a plan to please them and U.S citizens . Let Ground Zero be left alone but let them build elsewhere . Problem solved .
ReplyDelete@Jalen: That is what I was trying to get at, not that all Muslims are terrorists.
ReplyDeleteBut I guess, in all honesty, as a Christian, it does not really matter at all, because this world is going to Hell in a picnic basket. I guess there is no genuine reason to fall apart on this subject. I am now going neutral: I can see the pros and cons, and neither seems to outweigh the other when it all comes down to it.
ReplyDeleteI they want to build a mosque , then I say let them build their mosque .
ReplyDelete@Mr Robinson , I have some things to say but I don't know if they are offenisve or not .
ReplyDeleteSo I will wait until our BIG class discussion on this .
ReplyDeleteBUILD THE MOSQUE! On September 11, 2001, I remember sitting in the Pewee Valley Junior Academy library watching two towers fall on a faint TV screen. The events of that day were very unbelievable to me. I did know what was going on. In ways, you could say that I knew just as much as the whole world, even though I could have been generations younger than most of America.
ReplyDeleteThe point is, everyone knows that it struck America hard. Does this mean we should lose our values as an American nation over this? We shouldn't allow the foundations of our nation to cripple. I believe it was George W. Bush who said, "Terrorism stops here!" We are trying to stop terrorism, not the founding seed of our nation.
One of our main reasons for stepping onto this continent was to have religious freedom for all. How can we be such hypocrites to not give Islam the right to this freedom? Look at the guy who waved his passport. He was a Muslim-American, and therefore, he had a right to have religious freedom.
You wanted this nation to be fair, guys? Well, how about our last discussion about the situation in Iran? Did you think it was fair. Considering the same concept, how would you feel if a town didn't want our Seventh-day Adventist churches in the area? In the same way, we shouldn't discriminate against a mosque being built in New York City. It's two blocks away. How much further do you all want it? What distance makes religious freedom permit-able to practice? You are American too. Don't take away someone else's' rights in your heart unless you want to take away your own. Like I said before: Build the mosque.
I kind of agree with the "Why there?" question. It does seem a little insensitive of the Muslims to want to build so close to Ground Zero. Kind of rubbing in the whole 9-11 thing. At the same time, if they already own the land and stuff, they can't really help that it's kind of close to a touchy spot.
ReplyDeleteI definitely understand not wanting to be judged and stereotyped based on race and religion. That's not fair. I've had people accuse ME of dropping bombs on Pear Harbor. There are still people today that believe all Japanese people are bad. What did I ever do? What part did I have in something that happened way before I was born? Exactly. I don't have anything to do with it.
And it's the same with Muslims. I've known great, sincere Muslims; some of the kindest people I know. Muslims who were JUST as surprised at 9/11 as the rest of us. It's not fair to treat all Muslims as if they are terrorists themselves.
This country is supposed to have religious freedom, so they should exercise that for all religions. Just because two guys decided to crash some planes doesn't mean their whole race/religion should be shunned.
I also agree with whoever said it above, that we, as Seventh-day Adventists would want the same freedom. We'd be mighty upset if we were denied the right to build a church just because of our religion.
Sooo. I say it's okay to build the mosque. If there's another place available, then that would probably be more sensitive, but who wants to pay millions of dollars extra to relocate and to build something when they already have a spot that's perfectly fine.
On another point of view though, there's going to be a LOT of hate going on if they do build the mosque. Everyone who was against the building will be pretty upset and possibly do stupid stuff. Which isn't really all that good. Obviously.
I think is easy for them to just say:"lets build a mosque on Ground Zero", because apparently that place does not mean anything for them, but I totally desagree with them. I dont think they would be ok if a big group of people went to their own country with the intention of building a temple on a place that is really important for them. I think they simply should build their mosque in another place.
ReplyDeletei dont think they should build the mosque anywhere near ground zero that is the place that are country is having the memorial for the people we lost on that tragic day i dont they it is right to build the mosque anywhere near there it should be somewhere else far away. not on american soil. im not saying that all islamic people were responsible for nine eleven but from videos that have been showed of the war that is going on over in the middle east and stories that have been told of the way stuff goes on over there how do you tell that you can trust certain islamic people and not others... i just dont think it should be built anywhere near ground zero.
ReplyDeleteOkay lets put it this way, would the Japanese like if the USA wanted to build a memorial of the Nuclear bomb being dropped in or near Hiroshima or Nagasaki? and we as Americans would think of that as being insensitive if Barack Obama wanted to do it. So I'm kind of changing my mind on it being built.
ReplyDeleteBut Jalen, we are not the citizens of Japan. We are Americans. The muslims who want to build a mosque are Muslim-Americans who want to practice the law of religious freedom. Why should it be that we discriminate against all muslims if only a small amount were involved with the actual attack on 9/11.
ReplyDeleteAlso, on another note, Americans in the past have been involved with discrimination of another nationality/religion. Look at the concentration camps that we had for the Japanese. Just because we were at war with Japan, doesn't mean that our Japanese-Americans were the enemy as well. They were our citizens, and we treated them very poorly. They left with America's wealth to those camps, and came back with nothing waiting for them.
Going back to the building of this mosque, look at what Americans are doing. They are discriminating against all muslims just because of what a few amount of muslims did. How would you feel if you were discriminated against because of what a few of your culture did? That wouldn't be fair to you at all. Let them be Americans. Let them worship who they want to, WHERE they want to. This is America, and we are the land of the free. Again: Build the mosque.
Reading an article from the Washington Post, I found that none of the fifteen hijackers out of nineteen were spiritually active. After reading it, I only found one true muslim on board out of the four pilots that day on 9/11 and he was the one who crashed in Pennsylvania. The other three had very secular views of their own ways of religion if they too even had one at all. So you can see that a true muslim wasn't even close of these evil men. They fell away from all muslim truths. So, how should we be discriminating against a completely innocent religion?
ReplyDeleteWell , I feel as if it is a racial thing going on hear . If a white man wanted to build a church near Ground Zero , there would be no thought about what to do , it would be a automatic yes . But if someone , not of the white race asked , then there would have to be a BIG decision on what to do . As always , I believe that this whole thing is bogus , and they should just let her build the Mosque .
ReplyDeleteI always heard that the people who crashed the planes did it for religious reasons. Like, they thought that that would gain their salvation or something?
ReplyDeleteI think I heard that anyway, I could be wrong. XD
But let's say it's true.
We as Americans and as Seventh-day Adventists don't understand why someone would think that way. How could killing a bunch of people save you or make you a good person? We don't see things that way, but those people did.
So yeah, what they did was wrong in our eyes, but if they really truly believed that God wanted them to do it and was happy because of it, then can we really blame them? They were a little messed up, but is it really their fault?
Just some random thoughts...
It should not be built there because it is a memory of what happened .
ReplyDeleteWell if they are Muslim-Americans then they should be able to understand that 9/11 was a big tragedy in which a lot of innocent people died, and that there is a lot of people that will never forgive their entire race because what happened.
ReplyDeleteOkay so I have had a change of heart , it doesn't matter what race you are , nothing should be built there because of what happened . Or that's what other people think . But I think that she should be allowed to build the mosque . That is my final thought , and now I am done .
ReplyDelete@Khaidjah: I really do not understand where you are coming up with this "white people" stuff.....This discussion is not whites vs. Muslim.....it is Americans vs. Muslims more so. Now that was a stereotypical comment.
ReplyDeleteAnd plus, it is not necessarily true that the government would let even Americans build there. It is a place of sacred remembrance.....It would be like taboo.....
@Everyone: I just thought of something: The place where the Ancient Jewish Temple stood is not the Dome of the Rock-a Muslim temple. They Jews saw the Temple of old as one of the greatest things about their civilization, but now there is some Muslim house of worship established there. Some Jews are upset because of this.....They want their place of worship to be on this holy site.
The Jews are in the same kind of position as us.....Someone is "invading" their "holy space," and they want it back, just like we want our "sacred place" to not be "invaded."
@Pauly , yes it was . And that's why I changed my point of view . I do regret saying that . Your right(don't let this go to your head) it is America vs Muslims , not just one race against an other . My bad , lol .
ReplyDelete@Jamie: I truly hate to say it, but in all honesty, the government has no choice in some cases but TO discriminate. This, in some way, helps them to know who they might need to keep a close eye on and how to better protect the people and America's interests. We cannot always be sure if a certain group of one race, religion, etc. is dangerous, so we may have to keep an eye on them. I HATE TO THIS THOUGH!!!!! People should be able to trust each other, but because this world is sinful, this is not possible.
ReplyDeleteI think they should give them permission to build the mosque because they are part of the society after all, but I also think that all this could have been avoid if they had a little respect for the families of the people who died.
ReplyDeleteBut still I am NEUTRAL, in a way: I care, but then again I do not.
ReplyDeleteI heard you Khadijah.
ReplyDelete@Jamie im talking about to Americans who died there in Japan because we dropped a bomb on them also.I mean there families, so they do you think they should build a memorial there and bring back bad memories? This is exactly what The MUSLIM AMERICANS want to do. (since i did not refer to them as that earlier)
ReplyDeleteI agree with joven Joel . He is the only that has made perfect sense so far without writing a novel(which I refuse to read) .
ReplyDeleteThey decided to build it
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